v force reeds?

[no_doz]

how much hp do these really add, is it worth the extra $100? (i can get power reeds for $40 around here, and for $125 and shipping on v-force's it comes out to about an extra $100).

[no_doz]

also, how much good do reed spacer pates do? (ive seen these but dont know if they are a joke or what...).

[deathman53]

the v-force is a built-in spacer, and yes v-force reeds make crazy top end, for low end get a boysteen rad valve.

[YAMAHONDAMAN]

Everybody Has Them For the Banshee's .........................
ATC 250-R .................Don't Buy Them !! CR250-R Reed Cage !!!
HOLLARRRRRRRRRRRR

[no_doz]

huh?

[YAMAHONDAMAN]

What ya mean HUH ?

[jenndnn3]

So if I were to put in the cr250 reeds where would I notice the difference. I was leaning v-force 3's myself.

[YAMAHONDAMAN]

We Tested the "CR" Cage in the "85 to 89" ATC,TRX Motor's and it had MUCH MORE Volume for More Mid and Top Power or Speed..only like one year Model Work's the Best ..i think it was the 1992 Cage..the other year Cages was very closed up with fin's and stuff for the "Low end Charge" for the PowerValve Dirt Bike Motor's..Then we had to order the Boyesen Reed's for the Cage..they worked better than oem stock reed's..i bought a RAM Valve and the V-Force Thing's ...KILLED the Top Speed...i gave them away ...on the other hand i heard that the Banshee's like the V-Force Cages...Banshee's also like the 1/4" reed spacers' unlike the ATC's ....HOLLARRRRRRRRR

[no_doz]

Originally posted by YAMAHONDAMAN
We Tested the "CR" Cage in the "85 to 89" ATC,TRX Motor's and it had MUCH MORE Volume for More Mid and Top Power or Speed..only like one year Model Work's the Best ..i think it was the 1992 Cage..the other year Cages was very closed up with fin's and stuff for the "Low end Charge" for the PowerValve Dirt Bike Motor's..Then we had to order the Boyesen Reed's for the Cage..they worked better than oem stock reed's..i bought a RAM Valve and the V-Force Thing's ...KILLED the Top Speed...i gave them away ...on the other hand i heard that the Banshee's like the V-Force Cages...Banshee's also like the 1/4" reed spacers' unlike the ATC's ....HOLLARRRRRRRRR


can anyone other than HOLLARRRRR boy verify this?

[jenndnn3]

What if I wanted more bottom to mid with a slight top increase?

[mywifeknowseverythin]

Originally posted by no_doz



can anyone other than HOLLARRRRR boy verify this?

:doh:

Sounds to me like he has Done his Research...:shrug:

[YAMAHONDAMAN]

Thank's Craig...Try to Help and....................

[no_doz]

Originally posted by mywifeknowseverythin


:doh:

Sounds to me like he has Done his Research...:shrug:

are you talking about me or yamahonda? if you're talking about me then consider that this IS my research, otherwise i wouldnt be asking you guys.

[mywifeknowseverythin]

I was talking about you....

Its kinda Hard to tell by the way one types as to the attitude they have....Seemed to me like you took his advice with a Grain of Salt when you called him "Hollar Boy"...If I'm wrong I apologize

I have known YAMAHONDAMAN for almost 3 yrs now and let me tell ya he is a plethora of info...He wouldn't post if he didn't know what the hell he was talking about....

Read his Sig.....Make a Note;)
:shrug:

[jenndnn3]

I must be the only sick fool that wants lowend for my R... Nobody will talk to me...

:( :cry:

[no_doz]

no apologies, because i -did- take his advice with a grain of salt due to the fact that i dont know him and the first thing i see him post is garbled, kinda doesnt make sense, and ends with HOLLLLARRRRR!. sorry but i dont know him personally and the whole holar thing kinda made me not take him seriously, but if you say that he knows his stuff i believe you.

[no_doz]

Originally posted by jenndnn3
I must be the only sick fool that wants lowend for my R... Nobody will talk to me...

:( :cry:

i personally have no use for low end considering where i live its all long flat fields and long semi straight trails

[mywifeknowseverythin]

Glad I could clear that up for ya:thumbsup:

[YAMAHONDAMAN]

Thank's Again Brother ....
Advise is Only Free !!!
Can TRINITY do this for FREE ???? .... NOPE !!!!!

[03 ORANGE SHEE]

thought i gave you a bag of coal for that??:D

[YAMAHONDAMAN]

Jenn...................
What Yr. 250-R ? ........

[YAMAHONDAMAN]

I GOT IT !!! it's next to my Jar of "Michigan Lake" on the China Cabnet !!!!!!!!!!!!! ( when i went to CHICAGO ) To buy Lonesome's Bike !! :-) NEVER Been that Far UP !!!
"till next week" !!
no_doz.....gonna be @ TRIKE FEST ??? :-)

[mywifeknowseverythin]

Now I gotta buy a new Freakin key board....:eek:

Cant quite soak up the Drool :hail:

[sxviper32]

Thank's Again Brother ....
Advise is Only Free !!!
Can TRINITY do this for FREE ???? .... NOPE !!!!!

i don't get it, whats the picture of? thanks!!!

[no_doz]

nope, dont choke me but im not a big trike guy... if i ride it, it either has 4 wheels or its going to.

by the way sxviper that pic is of a tri-z head modification that trinity does.

[LonesomeTriZ]

Trinity Didn't do that one. He is the man when it comes to upgrades like that. I'll second what Craig said. Listen to him, He knows his stuff and will be glad to help in any way he can.

By the way, his name is not Hallarrrrr boy.

[no_doz]

hahahaha i gotcha man.

[YAMAHONDAMAN]

Hey no_doz...it's all good Brother ..I'll Try and keep the HOLLAR'n Mess down abit !!!

[no_doz]

doesnt matter to me man, just made me think u were someone ur not. to each his own :headbang:

[jenndnn3]

Hey nodoz anymore research on the prop mod?

Yamahondaman check your pm's!

[ridetrikes250R]

ill hop on the other band wagon... workin at trinity i watched and heard around during lunch time that yes a 92 CR250 reed cage works good when it is ported... now i watched a tech port one of these things, its not that hard you take and dremel the inside "roughing" it up for a swirl effect, also the banshees do love v-force its because of the crank case pressure and the oposing fireing order... on a lighter note, we ran v-forces on all of the customer bikes, if they asked to get reeds we went delta 2's which yes they are more prone to break at higher rpms but they RIP on top end, and give awesome flow ratings, the delta 3's choked down on that with thicker pedals, the 3s flow like the Cr cage but are much more efficent... i say go delta 3 if you just want a crazy duner if you want all out horses go delta 2's. thats what i learned working at trinity..... so HOLLLARRRRR (jk man) lol
adam

[LonesomeTriZ]

Is that for Honda or any brand?

[ridetrikes250R]

v-force makes them for almost every brand honda yamaha kawi and suzuki are on the list. they have reed cages for the Tri-z
adam

[LonesomeTriZ]

I have a V force set up on my Blaster and it made a big difference. but when i tried to find one for my Z, no luck. will it be labed for something else? do they make anything for a mid 80's YZ?

[ridetrikes250R]

they make them for yz's i do believe, i know we ordered a set for a tri-z... i dont know what model tho....
adam

[LonesomeTriZ]

you have given me hope. Thanks.:D :headbang:

[YAMAHONDAMAN]

Hey Ridetrikes... I Was Dealing with TRINITY For Many Year's back when Kristen was there along with Mell,Debbie,Roger and Shawn, John Berg was in the Back .. They Never Mentioned TRI-Z Hopup's.. Just Mainly Banshee Stuff.. I'm Running the Duncan Racing Pyrimd Cage Now in my TRI-Z .."Hogged out of course"..Back in the Day we ran the stock cage "Hogged" Out along with Boyesen Reed's ...Like Lonesome said ...ANY NEW Info on the "Z" ...Allway's Help's !! HOLLAR Brother !!!!!!!!! :-)

[LonesomeTriZ]

You are going to have to show me how you did that to your reed cage.

[ridetrikes250R]

well bro your right trinity's main income is the banshee.. . but everyonce and awhile we would get a tri-z or a yz in there and so from our dealings with those motors they did do alittle r&d on them... yah dremeling the stock reed cage is great or using the yz bolt pattern for the v force was good also... so thats my dealings with trinity.... they can port some really good dune ports and drag ports.
adam
also its very easy to "hog out" the stock cages... just make sure that when you do you have straight edges... you can round them out but the big company's are finding that having rough ports or straight edges accually stir up the air better then smoothing it out... soi say practice on a old cage and it will only take about 2 times till you finnally get it down to know how to make performance... best way to find out is to find a big company's ported cylinder and study it... you will notice between companys various differences, the way the port and the way the rough up jobs.. some will even look crappy but they perform like a frikin nasa rocket!!!! ill try and find some pictures and post them...

[LonesomeTriZ]

Just when I think I have things figured out, along comes some new information. I have learned a lot from this thread.

[no_doz]

glad to have started it lol


by the way, why does a cr250 reed cage add so much to an r?

[ridetrikes250R]

its just the pedal lay out.. its just a larger pedal surface. allowing for more air to be sucked in and flowed more efficently. now thats just laymen terms if you really want to know the difference i will tell you but its basically in simplest terms the reed design and the inlet tube design.. thats how it was explained to me... i have been told by several engine builders that they can get more air flow out of a cr then out of a rad valve or v-force the only problem is that the cr runs very well at high rpms .. when hogged out or ported...BUT if you run it just as it is it is a great overall reed cage but i would defently run Carbon Fiber reeds tho. the v-force runs very well on high compression motors but gives better all around performance... but also run FANTASTIC on the banshee motors because of the twin oposing firing order.. i know that if you port a cr valve that the best reeds we found worked was the boyseen CF reeds (but run them on none ported valves also).. now dont quote me on this but i belive the yz250 reed valve should do the same thing.(to tri-z's).. its all the technology put into the reed cages that make them perform better... on cr250 its the reed petal lay out and also the way it flows the air... on the R the best cages to run are the 97 CR also theres a myth that running a cr500 coil on a ATC250R will give you a hotter spark... not sure about this but i would believe it to be true but i have never tested one... like stated before... progressively threw the years the pedal designs and reed cage designs got better thats also y you dont run like a 88 CR250 because it was still using older technology... the 97 also has a larger area on the inside... if you port this out it will give GREAT top end performance but will lag in other areas where others will flow more... now you might not see THAT much of a difference in the seat of your pants way but will defently tell a difference on a flow chart.... the cr will flow very high numbers in high rpms but might not flow as much in the 3-6 range as the rad valve might... but the rad valve also chokes off top end performance, the v-force is like the best bet for a guy who just wants a out of the box performance reed cage... it flows great bottom end and mid and really opens up on top... the only other reed cage i would look at getting for top end performance or for all out flow is a Massaburg (dont know if its spelled right) they were really big back in the day and still do flow really good numbers... they are very unique in design as they have 8 pedals instead of the traditional 6 pedal.
Adam

[ridetrikes250R]

also lol any info you want to here about pm me or ask.. i learned alot with my time working at trinity and would love to share and help anyone out .
adam

[YAMAHONDAMAN]

Adam....
VERY IMPRESSIVE !!!! Your The One I'm Gonna PM When i need some Advice !!! the CR Reed Cage Thingy HIT IT ON THE HEAD !!! our testing fit that Description PERFECT !!! On The Other Hand ...We ONLY Race TOP End,Road's,ETC,,,
Bottom End is .......................... The Clutch
Brrrrr,Brrrrr,BBRRAPPPPPPPPPP
Ronnie

[ridetrikes250R]

thanks... yah i learned alot and love to talk about that stuff...
adam

[dirtdog]

Well, instead of starting ANOTHER new thread about reeds and spacers,since this one seemed to have some good info I thought I would bump this one and reask a few questions....................:yup: :D


first of all.......the reed spacer goes between the reed cage and the intake,not the carb and the reed cage...........am I correct?

second......does anyone have an oppinion on the new ESR reed cage with the built in spacer........
I am looking to change reeds from stock and want more all around power but if I have to sacrafice one of the three ranges it would be low end.........



HOOOOOOLLLLLLLLAAAARRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ridetrikes250R]

the reed spacer works both ways, if you put the spacer then reed, you get a better lowend pull, if you run the reed and then spacer you create a vortex that gives you a better midrange, the ESR cage is specifically designed to flow across the chart, the reason it is thicker then regular cages is the fact that it is SUPPOSED to have a larger reed pedal surface then any other reed on the market.

hope that helps


I have used both, and i loved teh V3's

[dirtdog]

your examples meaning starting from the carb I take it

:cool: thanks for the info Adam:thumbsup:



so if you were going to replace a stock reed and cage with the spacer closest to the carb( I have not tried it the other way yet)...would you put a new reeds and cage in without the spacer and try that first?


Does anyone know if they make an intake that excepts the 38-39mm carb better than the stock one.....I know they make it for other bikes....Maybe a newer year of the CR would fit?:shrug:


Are all of the years from 85-89 the same in the intake area?

[ridetrikes250R]

k... cylinder-reed spacer-reed cage, is for low end performance gain
k...cylinder-reed cage-spacer-manifold is for a mid range punch,

UPP makes intake monifolds to fit 38-39mm carbs or you can do what i do, and BOIL ... YES BOIL your intake manifold and then quickly slide your carb in and let it cool down. 81-89 TRX, ATC 250R motors use the same intake manifold bolt pattern. there are Cr manifolds that will fit 38mm and 39mm 92 is a popular year CR manfiold that is swapped on, i know 88-97 are the same bolt pattern as the trx,atc platform.

[no_doz]

lol check the date on this post, i made it over 2 years ago. haha memories

[HondaYamaha rider]

How do reeds work in a 2-stroke? (I know sounds like a dumb question, but I have no clue on how the reeds work.)

Does anyone sell performance reeds for a Yamaha Tri-Moto 125? (Looking for more mid to top range power;) )