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ridetrikes250R

07-13-2005, 03:52 PM

Well, i am in this in between state at trintiy racing again, bussiness slowed THE HECK down and now they had to cut off jobs so they put me out but were very nice and offered me this package, its caled 250R out reach.... lol or thats what i named it, so in these series of Threads, iam going to show you how trinity builds motors, how they mod, their patented turbo cut head mod, and their Stage III motors and the STAGE IV motors, Iam taking my 84 R and turning it into a monster, i know you guys are going to look at me funny but.... I and Matt at trinity racing are going to turn that motor into a 272cc FIRE BREATHER that will hit 43 horses with 91 octane... o thats to the rear wheels, now you all are like this kids full of crap, well when i finish this thread i will post a dyno sheet, and see were we stand, by the way all that iam installing besides trinities machine work is a 34mm carb, a answer pipe and silencer, and that will call it all, the Kit all together -carb and my pipes. its 594 out the door... pricy yes, but this comes iwht power bore and hone, milled head and squish band, windowed weisco piston, and you choice of Stage III or Pro/Mx, Pro/Mx is a wider power band and revs out like a feriari the STAGE III is like a banshee thats been dune ported, its all topend, iam going with stage III tomorrow i drop off the cylinder and head and should have them back by monday. I will be doing pictures and talking about there services, also tri-z guys can have the same thing done for about the same price. Stage III with the turbo head mod iam doing makes the motor a FREAKIN SCREAMER, it will be a great duner and all around hill shooter, the stage IV kit is going on my 85R and i will have pics and all of that and do a write up on that, for further information, contact matt at 714-224-0191, tell him Adam sent yah
ill post tomorrow
adam

84KXTtecate

07-13-2005, 06:05 PM

You have given me hope on really building the Tri-Z up, with the mods to the Z do you have any clue as too how much power it will put out, my target is 40rwhp or greater which I was goin to have done locally but hell if they know the tri-z I probably want to go through them.

ridetrikes250R

07-13-2005, 07:26 PM

probly close to 55 out the back, thats what they quoted me and i believe it, you can get these motors to go pretty high in the horsepower range, i am counting on at least 55 horse out of my motor, and i dont believe thats to much to ask or hope for, by the way the head mod is 19cc dome, with the turbo mod it brings it into like the 210 psi range, and it will run on 91 octane. i would put the tri-z at least 55 like the R, i dont know when i post the dyno run ill see how much you can get out the R.
adam

84KXTtecate

07-13-2005, 09:45 PM

Thank you for the great info, seein how I need to rebuild the Z anyway I think im gonna go this route in a couple months. Keep us updated!

NOS_350X

07-14-2005, 02:13 AM

Head out to pismo with us some time, I want to see these babys run.

ridetrikes250R

07-14-2005, 12:18 PM

i defently plan on running pismo when these things are done, my mom is beyond pissed at me we have a 3 car garage and she cant get her minivan in any spot, because they are all torn down and waiting on, machining, parts, powder coat, pretty much anything. lol but at least end of august these things should be able to scorch some sand, at this time would also like to personally invite ALL of you guys out to glamis for thanksgiving, i will be down there all week, and both 272 will be running and broke in, iam also trying to get a local guy down here who has a portable dyno to come down with us and bring the dyno, i would love to finally get a number on kaseys 500!!!! anyways, right now i need to call trinity myself because it looks like the 84 has run into a time out, i took the sleeve and head off, and it looks and measures out to be at 80 over... GRRRRRRRRR so that means new sleeve, iam going to see how much that will cost, also if any one has a 83-84 Sleeve, that wants to sell it iam willing to go that way, the sleeve must be on its 40 over or 60, if its 20 i will take also but i just wont feel so bad boring it out to 272cc. alright thanks, look for up dates pretty darn soon.
adam

ridetrikes250R

07-14-2005, 12:27 PM

ok well... looks like were back in business, resleeve done is only 239, iam waiting for a call back from mission control (Dad) and then ill drop this off their in about a hour, also iiam going to post the turbo head mod on the page to show you and explain y you would want it.
adam

ridetrikes250R

07-14-2005, 12:38 PM

ok here is the turbo head cut mod, now the head you see infront of you is a 86 head but trinity will do it on 81-89 250R's no problem, what they do for 91 octane or higher, iam running a 19cc dome so its max for 91 and just right for 110, the little "fins" on the squish band swirls the pressurized mixture, what it does, is when the pressure is getting to combust the fins Stir up the Air/fuel mix creating a evenly burning mixture, that ends up giving better gas mileage because you are gettin full power and not dumping fuel out the back of the tail pipe, from a more effecent burn, it is a fact that about 30 % of all gas in a two stroke will go out of the tail pipe and wont be burned, with this turbo mod that improves to a lower percent, but they havent released likie a percentage, ask any questions.
adam

the site wont let me post a picture again so here is the link,
http://www.3wheeler.org/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=19908&perpage=15&pagenumber=3
its on page 3
thanks again

LonesomeTriZ

07-14-2005, 01:01 PM

Cann all this be done to my YZ power valved cylinder and head?

Oldschoolin86

07-14-2005, 01:02 PM

http://www.3wheeler.org/vb/attachment.php?s=&postid=144324

1) How can it give longer gas mileage? Are you saying that with the "turbo" mod you can run leaner? So if you put this on you'll have to go down in your main jet size and maybe drop the needle?

2) You say it gets a hotter burn so how much more octain do you have to run to compensate for the extra heat to avoid pre-d? Most people try to get rid of extra heat from a performace motor wether it be advanced cooling or simply a cooler plug, why is more heat better in this case?

3) Can you expain how pressure can be redirected in a confined cell?

Thanks

ridetrikes250R

07-14-2005, 01:52 PM

ok, sorry Oldschoolin that i didnt just say this, by better gas mileage, think of it as that tornado thing for a car, the turbo squish band "swirls the mixture" to get a more effecent burn or a hotter burn, with more effecent burn, trinity claims alittle better fuel economy, if you read the page three on the turbo head mod thread, you will see i said its a claim and it does burn more effecently but we havent seen any better gas mileage, but the whole reason this thing is great is the ability to burn ALL the mixture on the combustion stroke, it allows for more gas to be burned, in return gettin more power, and of course your going to need a rejett, your milling the head causing for more heat, so yes droping the needle or going with a different main jet is always need, i do reccomend a plug chop or two, i will be doing this on both of my motors so i dont fry 600 bucks in motor work. and on your 3rd question i just cought myself, i ment, like stated before that when the mixture is coming up on the stroke it swirls the mixture (in my mind) "redirecting the pressure" causing the mixture to be effecently mixed and burned,
old saying, More gas burned more power obtained. That is the moto behind this project, once again sorry for any confusion
adam

ridetrikes250R

07-14-2005, 01:59 PM

lonesome, yes it can be done to PV cylinders, the do it to SO MANY different cylinders that its not a problem, the only engine they wont do this kit to is a lawn mower...... DAMNIT!!!
adam

LonesomeTriZ

07-14-2005, 02:09 PM

If I snt them my top end, will they send me a lsit of other mods I have to perform in order for the kit to be effective?

Oldschoolin86

07-14-2005, 02:18 PM

I'm still fishing for some evidence here Adam. If the turbo mod is so great why don't they have any numbers to back it up? I've always respected Trinity and thier work but it kinda looks like they are pushing a gimmic here. I'd hate to see people waste thier money on something that was designed to boost sales and not performance. I'm sorry if I crashed your thread. It's a good one and I look forward to reading it. Thanks for the info.

ridetrikes250R

07-14-2005, 03:28 PM

i understand what you mean, so thats y iam posting about it and iam personally sinking 1200 dollars into two R motors to see the out come, and see if they are worth it, iam not saying OOO GO BUY THIS ITS THE ****, iam just saying what i have learned with my employement at trinity, this year when we took pikes peak in 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 5th our banshees had same head designs with the squish band, but iam just saying ill be the geunie pig and show you that i take pride with my company and its products,
so just stay tuned and we will see what happens, at this time iamg going to take it a step forward, any air cooled R with port work and wants to race, name a date pismo or glamis and lets go, i want to show oldschoolin this isnt a gimmic
adam

Oldschoolin86

07-14-2005, 03:49 PM

Originally posted by ridetrikes250R
i want to show oldschoolin this isnt a gimmic
adam The only way to prove if it's a gimmic or not is to show numbers of the same exact motor with and with out the mod. I'm not talking a stock head to this one; I'm talking about the same dome as the turbo but without the cuts. Racing people will not prove anything and conveniently enough no engine builder that does turbo or prop mods will offer up these head to head numbers. There is a reason you will never see this comparison and that's because it doesn't help enough to bother doing. Sorry about the rant but there are a lot of trusting people on these boards and I'd hate to see them waste their money on unnecessary machining time.

Can we count on you to take the time to show us these numbers that are needed to prove if the mod is worth anything?

ridetrikes250R

07-14-2005, 04:13 PM

so are you now questioning my moral character? over a 30 dollar add on? All the other information i have shared with you guys has been true and i have 295 posts to back that up, to mill its 90 bucks for 30 bucks you get the turbo mod, so if some one wants to donate me another R head y yes ill run them both on the dyno and see if the power was that much more, i honestly will say this, i dont expect it to be a 5 horse add on, i would expect at least a horse or 2 difference now that might not be that much of a gain in the seat of the pants feel, but i know that trinity wouldnt waste time with R&D to push out a bogus peice of crap, All my post are honest, iam not a guy here to rip you off, iam a fellow triker sharing info, Oldschoolin I respect you, you turn out nice stuff, but this is like the 2nd thread that you have crashed on me, iam sorry if you dont think its cool or whatever, but iam just here to share information,
adam

Oldschoolin86

07-14-2005, 04:31 PM

Originally posted by ridetrikes250R
so are you now questioning my moral character? I'm not looking to trash, I'm just looking for real results. Your moral character seems to be one of the best around, I'm not questioning that. I'm questioning Trinity and $30 bucks they are taking from people for a gimmick. PM me your addy and I'll donate the 250r head. It'll be stock so you'll have to machine it to match the domes. I think it's great what your offering here and I'm gonna take you up on it if you let me.

ridetrikes250R

07-14-2005, 05:06 PM

alright got off the fone with trinity, going to be about 250 in dyno time but thats alright, gotta save up for the other head also, ill have two dyno sheets i will post them both on this thread, it will also show the horsepower rating over the entire rebuild. but iam going to have to save up additional money.... so that part of the build might take some time, iam going to try and finish my desired and planned on build first and then go into the mill vs. mill on turbo, remember i also have my 85R thats getting redone also so iam going to need time to save for extra parts, iam not backing out just letting you know iam a highschool student working trying to finish these in two weeks or so and get them all dialed in and slayin shees in no more then a month. iam going to need time and just letting people know were i stand
adam

Oldschoolin86

07-14-2005, 09:16 PM

It's all good adam, we'll get back to the turbo mod another day. Keep up the good work, this is one hell of a interesting thread. We all want to know how this turns out. :thumbsup:

ridetrikes250R

07-14-2005, 10:49 PM

thanks for understanding but with looking at 1200 bucks or more in machining and gettin them to my shee slayer stages lol,,,, i cant afford that right now, but defently mayb on the 85R ill be able to pull it off... once again these both will be at glamis on turkey day for their maden sand voyages, iam looking to be a head turner at the sand drags.
adam

84KXTtecate

07-15-2005, 12:56 AM

Little off topic, but I think this thread should be cleaned-up of the argument to keep it on subject, after all that is what the fight club is for.....correct? I think I will give Trinity a buzz tomarrow and get some numbers down on paper, I have a feeling overtime will e coming my way shortly, lol. Blazerone22's Liquid R will be toast in the drags next time down.

NOS_350X

07-15-2005, 01:16 AM

I have watched alot of drags and i dont think there is anyway that a 272R will smoke shees. Maby stock ones but not if that shee has some goodies on it. Also i have seen several trinity shees at pismo and i am very dissapointed in them.

ridetrikes250R

07-15-2005, 02:13 AM

we will see my freind, anyways, what size shee's did you see? because if they look really good doesnt mean they are really fast to.
adam

my90rulz

07-15-2005, 10:31 AM

Hmm.....sounds good...........but my Z is allredy under constuction........can you smell the c12 yet? :demon: :demon: :headbang:

ridetrikes250R

07-15-2005, 12:43 PM

lol.. good luck on that build, once again iam going throught the clutch tonight and trying to get that stuff sorted out so i can then swing the large cash to the kit.... alright well, ill be in again after i fix the clutch which will be today. then the kit will be in and ill throw her on the dyno
adam

CHAINSAW

07-15-2005, 07:21 PM

Originally posted by NOS_350X
Also i have seen several trinity shees at pismo and i am very dissapointed in them.

I havent seen much of anything built by Trinity that has really impressed me. For the money, there are a lot better people out there that will give you more bang for your buck.

ridetrikes250R

07-15-2005, 07:44 PM

BRAAAAAAAAP!!!!!!!!!:demon: :demon: :demon: :demon:
adam

LonesomeTriZ

07-15-2005, 10:25 PM

I am still interested.

ridetrikes250R

07-15-2005, 10:56 PM

Hey, Lonesome,
alright well iam writting it up on a word document in more details and measurements, and specs, but ill post some info on here, also, iam going to finish out the thread, iam working on the tranny, i believe i broke a clutch spring and i dont like the thought of that, its really soft to pull clutch and then half way it turns rock hard, so iam alittle......concerned, anyways, after i fix that the project continues, also i want to say this, just because people B.S on the side lines doesnt mean they have all that crap, one thing about banshee owners is they are always bull ****ting stuff, o blah blah, anyways trinity throughs out good work, one of the fastest tri-z on the board uses their services, so they must be alright, anyways, ill post the dyno sheet when done and then we will see how bad they are, remeber goal is 43 to the rear out of a R motor, air-cooled, its not impossible but iam pretty sure ill get that. when my waterpumper is in the ring now that will be a motor,
adam

84KXTtecate

07-16-2005, 11:12 AM

Im also intrested

LonesomeTriZ

07-16-2005, 02:00 PM

Any information that would be considered Tri-Z specific would be nice as well. I know there are several similarities between the Z and the R water cooled engines. But I would think there are a few things that may work better on one than the other.

ridetrikes250R

07-16-2005, 03:19 PM

your correct on this, but as i dont have a tri-z at the moment i cant really do anything other then, these port jobs are availible for the tri-z also, this port job isnt a universal port job either, they fine tune them to the specific engine, so yes they do, do different things to each motor, i will try and get some specific info for the tri-z,
thanks for the reply
adam

ridetrikes250R

07-16-2005, 11:12 PM

Ok guys i REALLY need your guys help, iam trying to get this project finished so i can show you guys results and stuff... only problem is i found a problem with the clutch, my basket has groves that are at least 3mm deep, its trashed, i need a basket FAST!!!! also i need if you have one a cheap bottom end that is in good condtion, all 5 gears, holds compression, no oil leaks, i dont really need it but if i find one ill snatch it up... thanks guys but i really need a clutch basket from 81-84 R's please help!
thanks
adam

twgranger

07-17-2005, 07:06 AM

Thought you were letting this thread go?:ugh:

bigyellow4x4

07-17-2005, 01:48 PM

redtrikes there not piking on you but testing you!! there not any race that dont talk bs, some just have better facts to back them up. With racing bikes up pikes i think a flater power band would work btter than on a drag bike here you want max power and lets not forget our ride play a big part in how fats you are!!!! keep posting wish we had more posters like this

ps banchee people talk anything other than BS :doh:

ridetrikes250R

07-17-2005, 11:59 PM

yah well... some people want to hear the facts and numbers. so iam going to keep on going, just cause some people might not want to here them doesn tmean all dont, so iam going to keep on rollin, anways, iam snaged with this clutch basket, i sadly might have to use my grooved one... damn it lol, also i need a rear shock.... damnit! lol so i need those parts but tomorrow the work is being done, i gotta get this thing going
adam

ridetrikes250R

07-18-2005, 11:56 PM

ok... well i hate to end threads like this but i must.... due to a problem with the workmanship and service i received from trinity racing this thread is discontinued until further notice. THanks to everyone that expressed interest in this project. i was ready to show a really as I thought a GREAT product... one with both service and quality in mind.... but iam not going to name drop and all that, but i will no longer be using this companies services... which is sorta hard cause all my stuff i picked up today... some peices not finished so both bikes will be heading in another direction.... i will finish this thread but first i have to find a quality builder.... thanks
adam

NOS_350X

07-19-2005, 12:26 AM

Originally posted by ridetrikes250R
ok... well i hate to end threads like this but i must.... due to a problem with the workmanship and service i received from trinity racing this thread is discontinued until further notice. THanks to everyone that expressed interest in this project. i was ready to show a really as I thought a GREAT product... one with both service and quality in mind.... but iam not going to name drop and all that, but i will no longer be using this companies services... which is sorta hard cause all my stuff i picked up today... some peices not finished so both bikes will be heading in another direction.... i will finish this thread but first i have to find a quality builder.... thanks
adam

How can you say that about a company you "worked" for? I'm calling :bs: about this one. If you truely worked for trinity you would know how there service and workmanship is there. Looks like youll have to be sending it to ESR if you want a fast bike now, thats where i would go.

azhondagrl

07-19-2005, 10:17 AM

Just because you work ssomewhere doesn't mean someone else can't F something up.

:mad: :rolleyes:

Oldschoolin86

07-19-2005, 11:23 PM

Originally posted by azhondagrl
Just because you work ssomewhere doesn't mean someone else can't F something up.

:mad: :rolleyes: I'm staying out of the main part of this but I think what NOS is saying is that if you worked there you'd know what guys to use and what guys to stay away from.

azhondagrl

07-20-2005, 10:22 AM

I also love that as soon as something goes wrong the person automatically becomes a liar. :wtf:

CHAINSAW

07-20-2005, 01:03 PM

Originally posted by ridetrikes250R
ok... well i hate to end threads like this but i must.... due to a problem with the workmanship and service i received from trinity racing this thread is discontinued until further notice.
adam

See brother.. I didnt post what I posted to be an a-hole or bring your thread down. I said what I said, mainly because of their service department. Their work speaks for itself, in fabricating and furthering the sport.... but like Lonestar, their service department and customer service ruins it for the people who work hard desiging cool stuff for their company.

And if you want an all out fire breathing drag machine 250R, pm me for a guys phone number here in Kansas. Id put his work up against any major companies port work any day. Ive seen 250 stock bore TRX with his port job and a Paul Turner pipe, walk the dog with a 370 ESR "drag port" with all the ESR fixins'. Go to ESR if you want a cheaper big bore.... but go to my guy if you want to kill the big bores. :headbang:

ridetrikes250R

07-30-2005, 01:44 AM

Ok, well thanks for that chainsaw, but to all the readers, dont worry. Here is the money shot!!!!, i found another shop, that is probaly unheard of to most, But its Called Q&E machine shop, this "hole in the wall" place, IS BY FAR! that best shop i know of, and I will be going back to them for stuff.... They turned my 250R into a complete NASA ROCKET (without the foam falling of at take off), but she boot scoots now! and they are VERY affordable, it cost me 691 for new sleeve, port, head mod, clutch basket, clutch, cr500 springs, and bascally a complete rebuild, GREAT PRICE!! anyways, i installed it and BOMB BOMB!!!! the thing is a nuts machine, it kicks my waterpumper to the curb and wasnt even past 3/4 throttle, It also hung with a banshee with T6's and i never got past 3/4 throttle and iam sure i could have beat him, because i wasnt revving it out in every gear, but man those springs and clutch made the difference, gets the power to the ground, i will get pics and some action shots on the street tomorrow, i have to do final jetting on it cause right now i just have the clip all the way down, and its runnin alittle rich so i am going to up the main jet and down the needle jet one spot from stock and will run that for awhile till i get it RIGHT and ready to rip, iam also running a Br7es so its alittle hot of a plug and iam going back to stock, right now i just need to go to jetting...
be back with pics tomorrow
adam

Rex Karz

07-30-2005, 02:19 AM

What is your new compression ratio? Do you have to use race gas? Is it a big bore or stock bore?
Glad to hear You got this thing going. I love the AirFoolers!! Looking forward to Dumont this Fall??

ridetrikes250R

07-30-2005, 02:43 AM

to answer Rex Cars, its bored to 250cc's i think its something like.10 over? its 210psi is the compression, its 91 octane mixed 32:1 with honda synthetic,
now to answer NOS, lol thats great how it turns out that iam a liar, lol... anyways, iam going to say this, trinity hired me during the school year, then let me go early into the summer, then hired me back and i was workin an all, yes trinity does have problems with customer service i knew about that but i thought as a past employee that they would still to me right, and i thought if i brought business to trinity that they would sorta keep me on the top list, well as soon as i started in with oldschoolin on dyno runs on the squish banded head and non banded head, they started to get wavy, all of a sudden matt didnt know ****, all of a sudden price started to go up and down depending on day, and when i went to drop it off, they wanted close to 800 bucks when they quoted me alot less, and then i had my dad call in and he asked for the same stuff and as i had been quoted, and all of a sudden he got a lower price then MY ORGINAL quote, so when i went into trinity and up matt and told him about what knowledge i had aquired, they said that because i was a past employee that i was a general customer and would be handled like one, which i wasnt asking for hand outs and it just hit the fan, they no longer would talk about price, i had worked the counters before and new the prices of pistons and gaskets, and it was 140 bucks for a damn weisco, and i could see that i wasnt being treated with the respect a customer OR a freind should recieve and no longer wanted to support a company who STABS its own employee's and then throws them out in the streets and doesnt even treat them well when the former employee wants to show the company some "no bad feelings" buy writting a thread and putting his rep. on the line, so was I lying no, did all this ish happen yes.... so i will no longer be using their services, i wish them the best but they do not value customers or employees, iam currently using a old Freind Vance at Q&E performance who finished the Air R and TRUELY did a AWESOME JOB, it was beyond good, the damn thing SCREAMS!!!!!!! pics and all i will get tomorrow, and the waterpumper is getting worked over by Atomix Performance as soon as i can get it in there.... sorry for doing that but i did get stabbed in the back by former employee's and freinds, and it did hurt, these guys i hung with 24/7 turned on me as a pack of wolves once i was out and now a "customer"
Go Q&E they are great people, they are located in Anaheim and have been in business since early 80's late 70's
Adam

84KXTtecate

08-02-2005, 09:17 PM

Originally posted by ridetrikes250R
pics and all i will get tomorrow.

common, slacker......:nono: :)

ridetrikes250R

08-03-2005, 01:34 AM

ok, i will lol, as soon as dad gets back from china, he went to hong kong and shang hi and all that crap on work,,,, and took the camera with him, he comes back the 10th i believe, so i will have pics, iam sorry again for the delay, hey 84KXT, woudl you like to come to thanksgiving at glamis ? pm for more info, my family and a few board members are going, just wondering if you want to attend
adam

Rex Karz

08-03-2005, 07:58 PM

I'm not so sure 91 octane would be good for your motor with that compression...

ridetrikes250R

08-03-2005, 10:24 PM

yah right now we are in the middle of testing.... not sure havent been able to go on a long ride really... so we dont know about pinging and all... it might be 91 mixed with race, but who knows, right now we have it mixed very rich, 20:1, for the final tank ride, then it will go to 32:1 that compression i heard turns out to be like 10:1.... dont know if thats true but thats what i heard from one guy off sand planet.... but once dad gets back we are doing some other stuff to it so ill show some of the porting... the intake..... exhaust and all the goods...thanks and iam sorry for the delay.
adam

84KXTtecate

08-18-2005, 11:08 PM

Well time ran out, Z's gettin rebuilt for the dunes in september.

NOS_350X

08-19-2005, 12:40 AM

Well i think we can call :bs: on this one. He also seems to be a major FLAKE

ridetrikes250R

08-19-2005, 01:47 AM

NOS.... lol, you work 55 hour weeks and see what you can do? iam sorry that i have sorta been away from this thread for awhile, and i know people want to here about this. but the ones who cared pmed me and i returned them with emails telling what has happend, Iam sorry about being gone, but i have been super bussy with work and all that, also iam waiting on new reeds because my old ones are starting to warp, plus i think this thread is over, i completed the rebuild, and now all i have to do is post pictures, my dad just got back from china last week and has all his work fotos on the digi and wont let me use it till he is done with it... sorry for the inconvience...
Adam
A "flake" ask anyone else on this board and lets find out what they say!? because i heard my fair share about you.