200X kickstarter fix 83/85

[dads]

I fix the prob. with a couple special shim washers.

[dan_badgley]

dads do you have any of these washers?? or any tips?? my kicker spring was just Fixed.. Cost me $521.00 as you probally heard in the post I put up..

Going to build a second 200X engine soon.. So? any sugeestions for its kicker?
dan

[dads]

I have them.. $2.00 will cover the stamp envalope and washers. and what paypall will get me for. Will send instructions with them on what to do. it's a quick eazy fix. If any one needs them Pm my

[likestrikes]

How many thousandths thick are the shims? Does it matter which side of the spring your preloading??

[dads]

How many thousandths thick are the shims? Does it matter which side of the spring your preloading??
size I don't remember ordered them a while back. location it important.

[bryan raffa]

hey dads could you throw a few sets in with bruces bearing ..and just pm me with what I owe ya ..

I took greenhumans advise and back cut 2 sets of gears today.. and with your washers...Im thinking problem solved:headbang:

[bryan raffa]

I can do that Bryan no prob. I'ill let you know when his bearings come in.
thought they would be in today.

wonderful news all the way around!:D

[dan_badgley]

PAID!! 2 Sets!

Cant wait to figure this out... soon going to be building my bottom end.. So its going to be awsome.. if this motor does'nt slip..

my 200X cost $521 to fix the kicker spring.. it slips every like 109th kick.. and I am sure in the future I will have issues.. So I will be installing them on it.. once I get the knowledge how to.. after I build my new bottom end.

I wish I knew this before.. I would of gave the mechanic the washers.. might of saved a tear down..
Oh well..

Its a good fix now!!
THANKS AL!

PAID FOR 2 VIA PAYPAL!

[Rex Karz]

I took greenhumans advise and back cut 2 sets of gears today.. and with your washers...Im thinking problem solved:headbang:

What exactly did you do ?

[dads]

Originally Posted by bryan raffa
I took greenhumans advise and back cut 2 sets of gears today.. and with your washers...Im thinking problem solved.

OK you all ask but you will not get all the info except with the shim washers.
but I will tell you this... What Raffa did is part of the fix.

here is a pic of the flat spots on the end of the ratchet teeth. they must be dressed up because the ratchet teeth will set on the flat spot and when you kick it over it will slip. They must all come to a point.

if you look at the pic, you can see one of the teeth is starting to look like a candy corn. the straight up edge
is starting to lean back.

[dan_badgley]

Nice info and pics!!!!!!

Well I will be sitting tight waiting for those washers... and yeah I cant wait to master this fix...
it will help BIG time in the future :)

Thanks again for the info guys!

[bryan raffa]

What exactly did you do ?


I placed the ratchet gear in a vise, and with a air cut off wheel with a thin cut off disk, lowered the cut off wheel following the slope of the tooth in front of the one your cutting ..just enough to back cut the tooth..tomorrow I will finninsh them up with a file. and post some close ups

[dads]

I asked Raffa to explain how he did it because, if you look at the pic I put up, you can see one of the teeth is starting to look like a candy corn. the straight up edge
is starting to lean back.

[bryan raffa]

ya thoe's teeth look really bad dads mine still had the flat face and were hardly wore..I would say throw the top one out and use the bottom one.
If you run the air cut off wheel the right way , It will leave a small flat face 90 degree , vertical.
I took a flat file and cleaned up the face on each tooth, to make them all the same ..as you can see I maked with a blue sharpy.. these really bite each other and by twisting them together like they normaly would,,wile pulling them apart..The harder you twist it the better it grips. I didnt want to take any more metal off than I had too..for strength ..other than that..thats pretty mutch it.;)

I suggest getting a new good file ..right off the batt..as mine took a beating from the hardend steel:headbang:

[dads]

I found a real bad kicker for that pic so it would show up good.

[dan_badgley]

I have a Question.. Would one of you be willing to do this for me?? IF i sent you a set of gears, paid for your time and a file. And the return shipping?? or should I just do it myself? lol

I purchased the washers from Dads. And I am going to be putting together a bottom end soon I hope.

Just wondering..
Dan

[bryan raffa]

completed kicker ,,back cut gears and DAD's shim washers..:thumbsup:

I also put the other one together without the shim washers and this one more is snappy
Im glad I had two sets too compare

[wild200x]

this has become an AWESOME thread.

[dan_badgley]

Thanks for the Washers!!! got them today!! just awaiting some kicker gears to try and do it myself!!
Wel will see.. .

Does anyknow know if the gears can be taken out by removing the side cover?? i am guessing no... because I had to pay $521.00 to get my spring replaced and it was a complete motor tear down....
But you never know it could be possible.
anyone know this ???

Thanks again Dads!
Dan

[likestrikes]

No and no and no.......

I don't recommend ANYONE does this repair themselves unless they have numerous engine teardowns under their belt.

One wrong move and the entire engine must be split again, not a fun mistake!!

Those cuts look great Raffa, I always felt they should be done on a rotary table with a wheel in a milling machine but your hand made mesh looks to be pretty darn good!!