So who's going to make the first ATC700XX???

[350X'inNY]

Seems like the TRX450R is old news around the HONDA mills... Who's going to convert one of these new monsters to an inverted triangle??:headbang:

http://powersports.honda.com/atvs/sport/model.asp?ModelName=TRX700XX&ModelYear=2008&ModelId=TRX700XX8

How would a trike work with IRS??? Though from that other article I found a couple weeks back mentioned something about the ATC500R being a individual suspended 3 wheeler.

[NOS_350X]

IMO i dont think the indipendet rear would work unless it had a stiff ass antiswaybar. Im not really expecting much from this honda, Big heavy monster, and im not a fan of those type of bikes, I think its going to be just like that kwai v-twin POS.

[3wheelergod]

These 700's are a XR650 stroked 2mm and bored 1.4mm! THEY FREAKING RIP!!!! They pull harder than the Raptor and thier HP. and Torque peak is at a higher RPM! They are the best big bore out there IMO! And they will flat out SMOKE a modded B.S.650!

And they are NOT anything like the POS kawi 700! They are 53lbs. heavier than a Raptor and have fully independant suspension! They are 505lbs WET!!!! A Raptor is 396 DRY!!!! The raptor fully loaded is 452lbs!

And I have thought about the IRS trike when I found out about the 700XX 6 months ago but It would just be a little squirly! I dont thinky ou could get the proper wieght transfer on it without a stiff rear end! It would be3interesting to try, I heard of them being tried before but nothing big has happened yet!

[kevinkline]

i agree with NOS_350X i dont think this 700xx is gonna last honda made it to try to compete with the outlaw 525 irs and the honda is just ugly as hell and i think its only gonna run about 3 years and its not going to compete with the outlaw 525 irs seeing how that machine has been out for 3 years now they have alot more experience in the irs sport class than honda the 700xx is just like the kfx 700 just a big bore tank and i dont thin a irs trike will handle well once you take a corner and one side leans it will take pressure off the front tire and plow but i just see the 700xx as a fad

[kevinkline]

i have a hard time beleiving there are 56 lbs of liquids in a raptor 700 with like 3.2 gals of gas and 2-3 qts of oil and maybe 16 oz of brake fluid

[3wheelergod]

You forgot the coolant also. And those are the posted #'s in a NON manufaturer comparrison that we studied pretty good at work!
Just think,
3.2 gas....26lbs (approx.)
3 quarts oil.....13lbs (approx.)
1.3 coolant 12lbs. (approx.)
Brake fluid....1 lbs. (maybe)
Now I know these arent exact but it seems close enough to me.
(I know my math adds to 52lbs. so dont bother)
Just think also, the C-raptor has 42hp.
Honda claims 45.
Raptor 452lbs. (approx) / 42 =10.8 lbs per hp.
Honda 505lbs. (approx) / 45 = 11.1 lbs per hp.
Thats pretty close competion I'd day!

Your polaris 525 has 38 hp. It has to be piped and filtered to even compete with the Honda stock! Plus it is a MUCH better IRS system on the Honda!

[3razors]

There is a guy in the build-up section that is turning an XR650R into a trike. I believe that the 700XX will be beat anything in BAJA racing.

[Mr. Richard]

OHH HHH WAIT,,, i highly contest the fact that the 450 conversion is dead,,, has anyone been following the 450 build on 3ww???? all i can say,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, PERFECTION BILL IS WAY TO LATE ,,,,, ITS DONE AND DONE RIGHT ,,,
http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u275/250rfan/450plastics008-1.jpg

YOU HAVE TO READ THE THREAD TO SEE HOW ITS DONE,,,, PERFECTION IS ALL I CAN SAY,,,,,

[NOS_350X]

I saw that bike earlyer today, And i gota say, It is my favorate looking bike ever. UPSIDE DOWN FORKS GET ME OFF!!!

[ADW3]

3 qts of oil = 13 lbs. ??? :shrug:

[200x_Basket]

3 qts of oil = 13 lbs. ??? :shrug:


hell no, it is lighter then water :lmao:

[Mr. Richard]

yeah figured kinda high huh? maybe to make the quad seem lighter,,, the heaviest gasoline weighs 6.5 # per gallon x 3.2 gallons = 20.8 lbs. oil 7.2 #'s per gallon,, would be 5.4 lbs ...

[84honda200s]

i dont think the 700xx would make a good trike but if that 700 can do what it should do thats one badass quad. im not a quad guy at all but there are 3 quads i like. they go in this order...quadzilla, outlaw, and 700xx . ive took a outlaw for a ride but not the other 2 yet. i cant seem to find a zille around me and nobody has a xx around me yet either. they all have danm c-raptors and blasters. but ill tell ya the ktm outlaw rocks !!!! pretty quick to say the least. i was pretty happy with it.

[3wheelergod]

Ya I knew I'd get grilled on that post. But that is what the claim wet weights when they were wieghed for the comparison. Maybe the C-raptor weighs more than 396 dry? I really dont know, I was just passing along info.


Out of all the 450's 525's 650's and 700's I have rode, the Kawasaki 450 was the one I would chose, Although I would lose the rock they call a seat and widen the a-arms to get some of the twich out of the steering, It pulled strong no matter what gear, no matter what RPM. I was thouroghly impressed with it.

And that is an awesome looking 450 conversion! Way nice job!:headbang:


(quadzilla's are as unreliable as they get, although they go pretty good when they run)

[Bo0YaA]

Well I just found my new desk top picture:shocked: WOW that is a beautiful bike:hail: :hail: :hail: To bad there isnt some kind of award we could give that guy :headbang: :headbang:

[FlyingW]

Hey Kasey, the pic in post 8, is this one of our guys or 3ww guy? That would make a good TOTM writeup.

[84honda200s]

i figured id put the link up to the 450 build. might give ya an idea to build the 700 lmao.



http://www.3wheelerworldforums.com/showthread.php?t=74595

[co 250r man]

i want one that is awsome to bad honda wont build some thing like that. if he made a kit for that ill be the first in line.

[ScottZJ]

You know I love to see these build ups for sure! Nothing but pure amazement. I have a nice husky motor that one day I would like to build into a trike but I am sure that is way down the road. The only thing I have about these killer build ups are where do they ride them? I mean anything bigger than a 350cc trike around here is just a heavy boat anchor. You would never get out of first or second gear. Do they just drag race them? Also I have to say that 85% of the riders out there right now cant handle the 250r or 350x full potential. I mean just use the trike for everything its got and actually run out of power. Maybe its just that I am getting older or what, but I say ride the mess out of what you have, then when you have ridden the wheels off it and no more power, look for something else.:headbang:

[Black Sheep]

OHH HHH WAIT,,, i highly contest the fact that the 450 conversion is dead,,, has anyone been following the 450 build on 3ww???? all i can say,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, PERFECTION BILL IS WAY TO LATE ,,,,, ITS DONE AND DONE RIGHT ,,,
http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u275/250rfan/450plastics008-1.jpg

YOU HAVE TO READ THE THREAD TO SEE HOW ITS DONE,,,, PERFECTION IS ALL I CAN SAY,,,,,


Well Kasey i WAS gonna keep my mouth SHUT about this but since YOU brought my name into it. I will reply.

PERFECTION it IS NOT. BUTCHARY it IS.

this thing is SO FLAWED it's not only funny but DANGEROUS.

I will Start with those forks everyone is drooling over.

1st. he mimicked 250R clamps but used upsidedown forks. the spacing is off. the upsidedown forks are engineered with specific spots for the clamps. his clamps are not in that spot. as a result the fork internals will bind and the outer tube could crack due to fatige...if you know anything about aluminum you'll understand that one.

2nd. he lowered the cradle and or raised the steering stem. the result is the lower portion of the frame will bottom before full travel is used.

3rd. he made sure the forks were same distance from to to axel. HOWEVER upside down forks have the axel on the BOTTOM weras 250R forks hang down lower then the axel. this allows them (250R) to have 10" travel without sitting high. with his forks he only has about 6" of travel.

i won't go into how he weakend the frame by cutting the main down tube to clear the carb.

or how he used the STOCK 250R airbox routing which in fact restricts airflow when compared to a real HRC 250R or a stock TRX 450R.

I will admit it LOOKS COOL. unfortunatly i've learned that most people are more concerned with looks over function.

Kasey, if you wern't such a hard ass when it comes to me You'd have seen my 450R by now. as it is keep trying to drag me through the mud...lol...i'll have the last laugh:yup:

[Black Sheep]

here is what i'm taking about with the fork mounts.

as you can see there is a wider flat spot on the outer tube. this is were the clamps SHOULD be. instead he has them on part of the tapered part of the outer tube. When tightening down the clamp in this area it will partially crush the tube and cause internal fork binding. additionally if this trike was to be jumped seriously the tube could crack or bend because of leverage and or tube fatige

[Black Sheep]

Now back to the ORIGINAL Author of this post.

Bruce. you've seen my 450R. what did you say about it..."like it came from the Honda factory". "looks like MR HONDA himself made it."

And now to the ORIGINAL SUBJECT.

Bruce, I already had plans on doing a 650 when done with my 450. the 700 motor would be better. but the rest of the quad with its independent suspension would not work well. a whole new frame would need to be built.

[350X'inNY]

Now back to the ORIGINAL Author of this post.

Bruce. you've seen my 450R. what did you say about it..."like it came from the Honda factory". "looks like MR HONDA himself made it."

And now to the ORIGINAL SUBJECT.

Bruce, I already had plans on doing a 650 when done with my 450. the 700 motor would be better. but the rest of the quad with its independent suspension would not work well. a whole new frame would need to be built.


"Yes sir.... that's what I said." (to the tune of the Ray Charles song...:thumbsup: )


Bruce

PS - The Amish are coming a month and a half earlier than expected, SOOOOOOooooo.... that means I'll be finishing barn designs, doing site prep, helping out as the barn goes up, etc. Probably no trip to Binghamton until the barns up and I've moved into it say late July. However, if you want to make a trip this way with the TPC450R and do some test riding/check out my NY OLT... use my welder to fix it up and swap fenders, by all means come on up!!!

[200x_Basket]

one thing about the black 450r it does exist and it is complete. :)

[BigGreenMachine]

one thing about the black 450r it does exist and it is complete. :)

Beat me to it. :duck: :chuckle:

[NOS_350X]

Bill obviously you dont know much about the forks, what you are saying is correct about there being a larger flat section to clamp to BUT your telling him that his its not clamped in that section. WELL if its clamped in the smaller section how did he get over the top of the fork where its wider? SO i would have to say that he is clamped on the thicker section.

We have to sit back a minute and think about the frame, isnt YOUR frame welded too?? Why is his welding insuficent and yours is godlike and unbrakeable?

You have no clue how he measuered the forks, He could have goe to the pivot and not the overlengh of the fork. he dosent mention You jump to conclusions that its wrong. Why cant you ever say ANYTHING good about a bike. I have NEVER herd one compliment come from any of your post. ALWAYS negeative Its sad to think that people live there lives being so negative.

[Black Sheep]

Bill obviously you dont know much about the forks, what you are saying is correct about there being a larger flat section to clamp to BUT your telling him that his its not clamped in that section. WELL if its clamped in the smaller section how did he get over the top of the fork where its wider? SO i would have to say that he is clamped on the thicker section.

Nick, obviouslly your not paying attention. the LOWER clamp area is the area i'm talking about. all he has to do is slide the fork UP from the Bottom and that area will never meet the clamp.:doh:


We have to sit back a minute and think about the frame, isnt YOUR frame welded too?? Why is his welding insuficent and yours is godlike and unbrakeable?

yes and no. my PROTOTYPE frame is welded. my PRODUCTION frames will be all new CHROMOLY frames. additionally he CUT OUT a portion of the MAIN FRAME at its most CRUCIAL POINT. And he streached his frame. anytime anything is streched it gets weaker. My frame is condensed and instead of skinny tubeing i used rectangular twin spars.


You have no clue how he measuered the forks, He could have goe to the pivot and not the overlengh of the fork. he dosent mention You jump to conclusions that its wrong.

yes i do know how he did it. I've been watching this thread since the begining. I also spoke with Gordon before. He did not start this till AFTER he learned of my plans.:yup:



Why cant you ever say ANYTHING good about a bike. I have NEVER herd one compliment come from any of your post. ALWAYS negeative Its sad to think that people live there lives being so negative.



I complement when it is warented. Like Derricks 450. i think he did a great job. my only "critizisim" was it took severall machines to build it. ie...Honda 250R,450R, yamaha YZ 125,Tri Z, and one or two others. making replacement parts or copies difficult.


I think the bigger question is why certain people take things PERSONALLY. I critizise not to put people down but to inform people that there is more to building a three wheeler then puting it on 3 wheels.

what you FAIL to relize is by me NOT posting pics of my build i AM complimenting some builders. I know there are some who have the ability to build one right. they just need a few tips to work out minor bugs. If i showed mine during the build there would be copycats.

[350X'inNY]

:hail: "Much more to build 3 wheeler from 4 wheeler than remove one wheel":slap:

I can't wait til you finalize yours Bill, and have all the fabbed parts as kits. It's a longer road to travel, but in the long run people can actually get one done right instead of having just one to stare at on a message board or butchering one up/experimenting themselves. In the long run the process you went by will reap rewards and I feel others will be reaping what they are sowing on their keyboards.

[NOS_350X]

http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u275/250rfan/HONDAHRC450RR100007.jpgThis might help you see the forks a bit better

[200x_Basket]

[]This might help you see the forks a bit better

nope, he is blinded by his own ignorance and the pull from the nut swinger has his head swollen :chuckle:

[Black Sheep]

yep Nick that pic explaines EXACTLY what i'm talking about. The yellow lines show were the "250R" clamps are. the pink line shows were the clamp should be.
the red and green show the travel of both forks.

Nick, you remarked i don't know much about forks. you just LEARNED how to do 350X forks which are the most BASIC fork there is. Someday you'll learn that upside down are WAY more complicated then what you JUST learned

[Black Sheep]

here is a good example of what i'm talking about with the clamp area.

the first pic is IN the clamp were it is Supposed to be. The second pic i slid it down to were Gordon mounted his

[BigGreenMachine]

You haven't even gotten to the rear suspension geometry being totally out of wack yet...

[NOS_350X]

If you would look at the forks in the tripples there pushed up about 1 inch putting them RIGHT WHERE YOU SAY THEY NEED TO BE. You need to open your eyes and realize your light isnt the ONLY light.

[Black Sheep]

I can't wait til you finalize yours Bill, and have all the fabbed parts as kits. It's a longer road to travel, but in the long run people can actually get one done right instead of having just one to stare at on a message board or butchering one up/experimenting themselves. In the long run the process you went by will reap rewards and I feel others will be reaping what they are sowing on their keyboards.

yes but will they admit it...lol



"Much more to build 3 wheeler from 4 wheeler than remove one wheel"

Confusious ATC is a smart man



Probably no trip to Binghamton until the barns up and I've moved into it say late July. However, if you want to make a trip this way with the TPC450R and do some test riding/check out my NY OLT... use my welder to fix it up and swap fenders, by all means come on up!!!

I talked to Walsh today and my swingarm/shock will be sent out next week. And I just talked to the macine shop doing my front hub. tomorrow i have to take my forks and wheel to them to finalize it. HOPEFULLY my measurments were all correct. If so then I should be able to come up soon. No pictures though I wanna here a few more comments from the doubters...:doh: :D :lmao: Chris will probably come up with the "ultimate 350X" i built for him as well.

[louis_mielke]

what you FAIL to relize is by me NOT posting pics of my build i AM complimenting some builders. If i showed mine during the build there would be copycats.


Dude, that is so flawed. I can't articulate how flawed that is. How conceited are you? I guess you poop out three wheeler shaped turds too?

[Black Sheep]

Dude, that is so flawed. I can't articulate how flawed that is. How conceited are you? I guess you poop out three wheeler shaped turds too?

why because my ideas have been ripped of before. you know how many tips i've posted on boards, been given a hard time about them, then banned only to see someone else post MY TIP and claime it as thier own. what is wrong not showing the actuall build? I plan to sell either kits or complete trikes. why would i want other builders to see how i'm doing it?

why should i post pictures of my build on sites were i'm ridiculed for posting tips, then ridiculed for removing them. i'm ridiculed constantly for trying TO HELP others.

I give constructive critizisim based on experiance...not personal opinion of a member.


Please tell me Louis, or better yet show me ONE custom three wheeler that is REALLY NEW, people have been building 500's out of CR frames or stuffing them in 250R frames for years. people have been stuffing large motors in 350X's tecates, triZ's for years. all these were done back in the 80's

lets look at other builds:

speed built his cr based 250. i said it would turn like crap. i was ridiculed. when finished he even admited it turned like crap...then dismantled it. a yz400/tecate trike? i said it would snap in half and it did. i gave credit to Derriks 450 and then someone comes here and they post a 450R in a 350X and called it "the REAL 450R" at a obvious stab at my build. (funny how that builder copied the suspension set up from my old 450X build)

i stay away from these boards yet people still post about me then complaine when i reply. if people don't want me to comment them they should not bring me into it.

please tell me louis, or better yet show me ONE ALL NEW THREE WHEELER

finally i'd like to point out the honda 450r came out in 04. and from 04-05 no one built a 450R trike. In jan 06 i announced my plans to build one. and it was after that announcement then out came all the conversions. and each one has been followed by comments about MY 450R. So i think i have something to base my concerns you call "conceited" on.

[bryan raffa]

I agree with ya bill ..I hold back myself most of the time, just for that reason.

[NOS_350X]

Well in 01 the Crf450 came out, at that point i talked about doing a conversion. So your step off your high horse i had the first idea.

This is a joke, Every post you make is. All they ever are is an attack at somone or there bike. I also you rembering you saying kaseys 500 would split in half. He rides that bike a hell of alot harder than most trikers and its still together. You say these bikes wont stay together but you get mad when we say yours wont get built.

"All new", Well actualy all custom, parts will be difficult, expensive, or impossible to get

You dont stay away from the boards you like the attention, did mommy not hug you enoguh? is that why you do anything you can to draw ALL attention twards you?

[Black Sheep]

well Nick as usuall you question me on a tech aspect claiming i don't know what i'm talking about. When i prove you wrong you stoop to PERSONAL INSULTS.

but i'll refrain from YOUR tactics and reply based on the "merits" of your post.

yes the crf450 came out in 01. since 1988 i've always said i would build a new trike when 350'X and 250R's were no longer competative....what year were you born in...:salute:

No i did NOT say Kasey's 500 would split in half. i said I COULD split it in half. i proved it by showing a cracked stock frame in same area of gussets he removed. the same gussets Honda CONTINUES to use in ALL PRO LINK suspended bikes/quads. I also said for Kasey out in the sand dunes it would be ok. I still stand by that statement.

All new...impossible to get huh...well your wrong. all parts have been speced out and ordered in quanities...hense $2000.00 cost for front fenders. Additionally the only "Custom" parts are Frame, Hub, tripples, fender. EVERYTHING else is commonly avalible. and considering most of you are happy with 25yr old frames/tripples/hubs i don't think you'll have problems

How did i Draw attention to myself. I have stayed away from this subject...that is untill SOMEONE ELSE brought my name into it.

[Black Sheep]

If you would look at the forks in the tripples there pushed up about 1 inch putting them RIGHT WHERE YOU SAY THEY NEED TO BE. You need to open your eyes and realize your light isnt the ONLY light.

Terribly sorry Nick I missed this post. let me help you out.

the lines i drew were APROX.

look at this picture. see the BULDGE pointed to on the forks? that is were the Tripple should be located.

[NOS_350X]

your 2 sets of John maden style lines dont match up with eachother.

[250sx]

why should i post pictures of my build on sites were i'm ridiculed for posting tips, then ridiculed for removing them.


You haven't been ridiculed on this site for posting tech tips. You've been ridiculed (outside this thread) for REMOVING them to somehow "punish" people who could care less and depriving those who could of the knowledge contained in them.

[Black Sheep]

You haven't been ridiculed on this site for posting tech tips. You've been ridiculed (outside this thread) for REMOVING them to somehow "punish" people who could care less and depriving those who could of the knowledge contained in them.

on the contray Big Cheese ( how about a cheese head smiley) when i thought the crap was over i posted new pics in the ultimate 350X thread. your buddy chris jumped right in to start crap. And that is the reason they are gone.

lets remember KASEY wants me banned. Yet WHO Started Crap with me IN this thread? Kasey.

[250sx]

A. That wasn't a tech tip.
B. Do you think him, kasey, nos_350x, or any of those guys care if you deleted your tech tips? I know many ways to get them riled up, but deleting tech tips isn't one of them.

Anyway, it's nothing I'm going to argue about anymore.

[Mr. Richard]

:lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

http://photos.friendster.com/photos/88/00/7160088/4698336629430l.jpg

[Mr. Richard]

hold the fort ,,, i always thought the tech tips were a great addition,,,, to the site,,,,, if i knew he was going to cry like a baby and delete them ,,, well i wouldn't have done anything different,, i just thought he was more mature than that..........................

[Mr. Richard]

when i thought the crap was over i posted new pics in the ultimate 350X thread. your buddy chris jumped right in to start crap. And that is the reason they are gone.


so put names to ALL the threads you deleted then,,,,,,,

[Black Sheep]

A. That wasn't a tech tip.
B. Do you think him, kasey, nos_350x, or any of those guys care if you deleted your tech tips?

Anyway, it's nothing I'm going to argue about anymore.


I'm not arguing i was just clearing it up. It was a NEW tech tip that chris jumped in on.

your absolutly right they don't care. And i know that. But a MODERATOR ie: Kasey is supposed to Help the board. His constant abuse of power and harasement is not acting responsible. He wanted me gone. well this is not 3ww if i go it ALL goes. He got his way. THEN HE STILL HAD TO PUSH THINGS WITH HIS POST IN THIS THREAD. there was no need for it other then a PERSONAL ATTACK>>>BY A MODERATOR

[250sx]

This thread has run its course. Fight club is here for a reason if you guys want to continue.