86 250r... adding a battery??

[tm0n3y]

So I really wanted to add an hid kit on my 86 250r... I was told it would work.. it ended up not working and left me disappointed!!! So my question is, if I were to add a battery to my trike, would the stock stator keep it charged out how does that work?? :confused: I figure it needs a regulator and I have a small seadoo battery that I could fab some thing up to mount it and then wire in my hid!!! :headbang: If you are wondering why I want the hid so much as to go through the trouble I would say..:doh: not sure but I like to be different and I think it would be awesome to have that kind of light output!!! So if any knows anything that would be helpful in my quest to put in and hid in my trike I would greatly appreciate it!!!I might abandon this idea but just want to know before i do how much effort or trouble it would be to do it!! Thank in advance for any help!! :headbang:

[likestrikes]

I imagine you need an alternator, not a stator........

Any real motor shop guy could tell/help you!

[FlyingW]

ok, let me stab at this one. To incorporate the addition of a batter would require a charger circuit. Since the lighting coil generates AC power and the battery is DC then a rectifier needs to be installed to convert AC to DC to charge the battery.

Now, the real issue here is the charge rate vs the demand rate. If the ballast for the HIDs is drawing more power than what is being charged back to the battery via the rectifier then your battery will be dead all the time or as long as lights are being used. Even though the lights themselves only draw 35 watts, the ballast being a tranformer will cause an additional demend on the battery.

Consider the Goki starter kit for the 350X. The same rules apply here. I installed one on mine and if I ride at night with lights and use the starter allot at night, the starter will cause a larger demand on the battery than the charger can replentish in short order. Even the trikes with batteries have charging limitations. For the use of HIDs that have a ballast some engineering will need to happen to find the right balance of demand and charge. You certianly dont want to get out somewhere at night and have your battery die and lose your lights. That would suck!!!

Now, while riding during the day with lights off will charge the battery but will it be fully charged in time to ride at night??? Who knows and how long will they last?? The demand rate for the lights needs to be established to find the right rectifier to use in partnership with the available power from the lighting coil. Does any of this make sense??

[FlyingW]

One last note, not knowing if the HID ballasts run on AC or DC will dictate the use of an inverter between the battery and the ballast if the ballast runs on AC power. If it does, the inverter may require the inverter to be frequency tuned so not to burn up the ballast. Just thinking outloud, sorry....

[tm0n3y]

Wow that actually made a lot of sense!! I know enough to get me in trouble but not enough to figure it all out by my self!! (I use to be a car audio installer) so i know what your talking about and it sound like its to much trouble for whats it worth!! Thank you for your input!! SO the next question, I saw somewhere on here that some one or some where makes lighting bars or desert lighting kit?? where do i get one, how much!! Thanks again!! you've been a huge help!!

[jenndnn3]

Look up wild200x

[NOS_350X]

http://www.3wheeler.org/vb/showthread.php?t=38303&

I will be getting these CNC'd in the next couple months.

And i have seen several of the Dez light bars in action, the spread isnt nearly as good as these little lights. IMO

[Vegas250RR]

this may help you with your problem... others please look and vefify also...

in addition, most of the required parts that you will need can be bought from Bajadesigns... they have a fairly friendly tech staff too... give them a call and they can get you set up to run your HIDs

https://www.bajadesigns.com/2005%20Web%20Site/PDF%20Files/BATREG3.pdf

[tm0n3y]

thanks :)

[Macgyver76]

Ok, Here we go.... The 250r uses a single lighting coil, one side is grounded, the other is fed out to the regulator and lighting. To makle it work You would need to unground the one side of the coil and bring it out of the stator housing.then wire it with a regulator like found on a 200E if you look at the 250r and 200e diagrams you will see it. As for HID's they draw 10 amps max at startup and running use 2 to 3 amps per ballast. I am going to be running twin hids on my 200x with 200m engine/electrics. I know hids well as I install them and have 10 of them on my daily driven tahoe.

[FlyingW]

Ed, be sure to do a step by step when you do it on your X. Pics would be helpful for the non-spark chasers out there.

[ectfor2]

Here is a very good riteup of the procedure that I followed when I ungrounded the stator and put on a regulator/rectofire and battery on my 200X. It is on a banshee but the concept is the same.
http://www.dunereview.com/electricalupgrade-1.htm
And here are the parts that I used.
http://www.trailtech.net/7003-RR150.html
http://www.trailtech.net/040-BATT1.2.html
I also installed a power supply for my sat radio.
http://i460.photobucket.com/albums/qq329/ectfor2/100_0980.jpg
I'm also using a Vapor gauge set.
http://i460.photobucket.com/albums/qq329/ectfor2/100_1048.jpg
Now what I have found is that at idle the stator can't produce enough wats to keep up with charging the battery and the stock headlight and 2 led tail lights. I no longer have the power supply for the raido. But with the HID lights that you are going to use it should work fine. Hope this helps.

[Macgyver76]

Ed, be sure to do a step by step when you do it on your X. Pics would be helpful for the non-spark chasers out there.

On mine, I did a total swapover not only the 200m engine(with XRcam,200x jug/piston) but the whole harness too, using a 200e battery box in the frame behind the airbox, used a 250 sx bar switch for the lighting,engine kill and the starter button, as well as the choke. I am also adding brake light switches and a tail/brake led combo light. I do have pics I will be posting up soon.Ed

[TORKER]

This is GREAT. Now can someone, please, tell me if this upgrade will be able to power a radiator fan???

TORKER

[Macgyver76]

If you do a fullsize battery ie 200e or the like, then you should have no problem running 2 35 watt hid ballasts, a led tail light, and an efficient rad fan.